Comments on: Austrian laicism

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:56:32 +0000

Hey, I’m a part of the Jesus Revolution Army in Europe!
Easy to judge us when you’re so far away, but if you were to meet one of us, you would realise we’re not so stupid or lunatic, but just love Jesus and want people to get to know him and his love. Be blessed!

By: nwistheone

nwistheone — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:01 +0000

… if there really was a God, he’d have made sure his followers would at least get all their facts straight. And if he’s not even that powerful, then why bother?

Right on. After so many years, there shouldn’t be doubt among believers. The myth about a higher power is still just that: a myth. I, myself, am also agnostic.

By: gibarian

gibarian — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:57:24 +0000

@nwistheone, my point exactly. While I believe that for some people belief is the only way to cope with a life otherwise miserable, I don’t condone the efforts of religious groupings trying to lure others to follow them.

I won’t even go into the Bible interpretation discussion, but I think it’s safe to say that if there really was a God, he’d have made sure his followers would at least get all their facts straight. And if he’s not even that powerful, then why bother?

By: nwistheone

nwistheone — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:13:44 +0000

There has been zero scientific proof of the existence of a greater being than ourselves. Faith is conceived to ease the human mind from insanity due to the vastness of the universe, a universe with no outright explanation of why & how. Christians are more totalitarian than others simply because they teach against it, yet overly strive to conquer the world with their religion. The Bible, along with many Christian leaders of past & present, is full of contradictions in teaching, and a significant number of Christians are so hypocritical that they actually slow the advancement, if any, of their particular beliefs.

By: gibarian

gibarian — Wed, 11 May 2005 18:21:41 +0000

Oh, I’d love to see that scientific proof. You’re not referring to Euler’s algebraic proof, right? And no, believing in nothing instead of a fairy tale is not like believing in fantasy. I’d rather not know than to believe in the first best thing that comes along.

And I was referring to the JRA as being totalitarian, not Christianity itself.

By: Peter O

Peter O — Wed, 11 May 2005 18:00:25 +0000

There’s plenty of scientific proof. Without God you believe in a universe that happened because of nothing - with God I believe in a universe that happened because of something. Who’s believing in a fantasy?

I think calling the Bible a “totalitarian” book is a bit severe - Since when were Christians totalitarian? We’re just a totalitarian as any group that believes that they’re right.

By: gibarian

gibarian — Wed, 11 May 2005 17:21:59 +0000

Well, since there’s no scientific proof yet that your God does exist, there’s no justification for believing in one as well. And yes, I can’t be sure that what the JRA people believe in isn’t true after all, but that doesn’t free me from my common sense, which tells me that luring people into any organisation with a totalitarian claim is simply wrong. Especially if that organisation is based on a collection of scripts collected into a book with an authoritarian claim.

By: Peter O

Peter O — Wed, 11 May 2005 17:03:12 +0000

So if you’re an agnost then you’re not quite sure that the Jesus Revolution peeps aren’t perhaps right after all?

Perhaps your worry is not so much what the Jesus Revolution / Army / Crusade / Bunch of kids who believe something different to you believe, but that it might in some way impact you and change what you can or can’t do?

By: gibarian

gibarian — Wed, 11 May 2005 16:58:35 +0000

Right, look at that flyer. You’ll find they do call themselves Jesus Revolution Army. I could give you a few more links, but I trust you’ll find references to “soldiers” and an “army” if you look closely enough. Regarding the common sense, I think our tolerance level in determining what is common sense and what not may differ quite drastically. I for one won’t attribute common sense to people who are of the opinion that Europe needs to be saved by an army of soldiers trained in the arts of “self-denial”, “servant-hood” or “God’s Word”. After all, I’m an agnostic, plain and simple.

By: Peter O

Peter O — Wed, 11 May 2005 16:25:31 +0000

I think you’ll find they’re called the “Jesus Revolution” not the “Jesus Revolution Army”. Now, having got that out of the way, why do you not think they’re operating with “common sense”?